I would have thought that a guy who wants his pension fund left all the heck alone would understand what up to 30K extra unplanned monthly withdrawals could do.
Again, not really picking a side here, it's just nice to see the potential for some decisive action on the union's part.
For the better part of 33 years, I have allowed the Teamsters to be the sole agent to negotiate my pay and work rules. It has been a lucrative as well as stabilizing force in my life and millions of others.
Having said that, when the union raises the red flag on something, the company tried to negotiate outside of the contractual agreement. You have to pay attention. They should not be an I got mine proposition. We should all want to leave this Union better than when we found it. As well as the company has made agreements that they are not adhering to.
Something that may be good for an individual may be detrimental to the membership as a whole.
If you’ve benefited from the “collective” bargaining agreement, it’s a little self-serving to think bargaining with the company on your own is a great idea, even if it is just for you.
I’m not suggesting these buyouts may not be beneficial. I’m suggesting they should’ve been negotiated.
Automation and a new business model won't be stopped. The older workers removing themselves might actually benefit younger workers. Layoffs hurt the lower seniority workers most.
You still haven’t explained to me how I was “harmed” the first 4 1/2 years of my career being “laid off”.
I was in no way harmed. Inconvenienced probably but I always understood how this job worked and unfortunately seniority sucks when you don’t have any..
Automation and a new business model won't be stopped. The older workers removing themselves might actually benefit younger workers. Layoffs hurt the lower seniority workers most.
Also, I love the fact that you’re OK with the company lying and having no integrity during contract negotiations just a few years ago knowing full well they would not create these jobs because of automation.
I have news for you. Lots of things can be stopped changed, and rules made that are beneficial to humans when workers stand together.
Also, I love the fact that you’re OK with the company lying and having no integrity during contract negotiations just a few years ago knowing full well they would not create these jobs because of automation.
I have news for you. Lots of things can be stopped changed, and rules made that are beneficial to humans when workers stand together.
That's honestly my biggest problem with the buyout. I don't believe the company bargained in good faith on basically any part of the last contract. This was all part of the plan, and they never intended to honor their commitments at all.
That's honestly my biggest problem with the buyout. I don't believe the company bargained in good faith on basically any part of the last contract. This was all part of the plan, and they never intended to honor their commitments at all.
Yep, imagine if the company agreed to our pay and then throughout the life of the contract just didn’t give us the contractually obligated raises?
UPS completely blocked any attempts of the Union being involved in this process. They get to decide everything about it, including issues that arise. I certainly don’t feel comfortable with this language.
Also, I love the fact that you’re OK with the company lying and having no integrity during contract negotiations just a few years ago knowing full well they would not create these jobs because of automation.
I have news for you. Lots of things can be stopped changed, and rules made that are beneficial to humans when workers stand together.
How you going to create jobs when automation kicks in? The only way to expand jobs is to expand the business. Jobs sorting, loading ate going bye bye, they ain't coming back.
How you going to create jobs when automation kicks in? The only way to expand jobs is to expand the business. Jobs sorting, loading ate going bye bye, they ain't coming back.
AI and technology is changing things everywhere.
Exactly. Now you’re understanding it. The company negotiated in bad faith.
“We are pleased with the court’s ruling and intend to move forward with our Driver Choice Program, as originally planned,” UPS said in an emailed statement"...
Sorry you don’t understand how any of this works even though you worked here long enough to benefit for the union being your sole representative. And to understand, the company isn’t very trustworthy.
The Court did not decide these buyouts were contractual. It decided against granting a preliminary injunction. The standard for injunction is pretty high bar.
Weather or not it’s contractual will be decided through arbitration for the national case and panel system for the central case that is now under way.
Sorry you don’t understand how any of this works even though you worked here long enough to benefit for the union being your sole representative.
The Course did not decide these buyouts were contractual. It decided against granting a preliminary injunction. The standard for injunction is pretty high bar.
whether or not it’s contractual will be decided through arbitration for the national case and panel system for the central case that is now under way.
Lol, it's over. Time to cash in.
Ironically, more may actually leave quickly now as they panic over the union stopping this plan.
I would have thought that a guy who wants his pension fund left all the heck alone would understand what up to 30K extra unplanned monthly withdrawals could do.
Again, not really picking a side here, it's just nice to see the potential for some decisive action on the union's part.
Those leaving are close to leaving anyway.
If the union is really worried, jack up years of service requirements 5-10 years.
Everyone is acting like the company won't need drivers moving cardboard once the old guys leave?
If the union is really worried, jack up years of service requirements 5-10 years.
Everyone is acting like the company won't need drivers moving cardboard once the old guys leave?
Again, I don’t think the union was afforded that opportunity to negotiate that, even though they should’ve been.
You’re really hung up on the money, but maybe this is less about the money and more about the union, allowing the company to just violate the contract ignoring the fact that they are the sole representative of the bargain unit?
For the better part of 33 years, I have allowed the Teamsters to be the sole agent to negotiate my pay and work rules. It has been a lucrative as well as stabilizing force in my life and millions of others.
Having said that, when the union raises the red flag on something, the company tried to negotiate outside of the contractual agreement. You have to pay attention. They should not be an I got mine proposition. We should all want to leave this Union better than when we found it. As well as the company has made agreements that they are not adhering to.
Something that may be good for an individual may be detrimental to the membership as a whole.
If you’ve benefited from the “collective” bargaining agreement, it’s a little self-serving to think bargaining with the company on your own is a great idea, even if it is just for you.
I’m not suggesting these buyouts may not be beneficial. I’m suggesting they should’ve been negotiated.
@wally is a Me-ster, always has been and will never understand what you so eloquently explained.
@wally is a Me-ster, always has been and will never understand what you so eloquently explained.
Well put.
Well let me run this by you Union suck-boys. There was a couple of Union shop Stewards from my old building that took the last buyout and left UPS to go to work for the Local as Business agents. So is that ok?
Well let me run this by you Union suck-boys. There was a couple of Union shop Stewards from my old building that took the last buyout and left UPS to go to work for the Local as Business agents. So is that ok?
I’m not against people taking it. I’m against the company, implementing it without negotiating. If we allow them to do as they please there’s nothing stopping them from doing whatever they want.
