Just one more thing, their time is valuable your time isn’t according to them. They don’t need to keep their promises and schedule.
They aren't giving people enough time to file the retirement paperwork
Buyout
They aren't giving people enough time to file the retirement paperwork
Yep, that’s correct. Everyone has to have a end date to put on their application and nobody knows anything.
Yep, that’s correct. Everyone has to have a end date to put on their application and nobody knows anything.
It would be nice to get it but if I dont
This company can fucking blow me
Team Care has already committed to covering those costs. They are flushed with money they can go for a very long time according to them. probably longer than strike fund would last. I have no idea how the other people who don’t use team care would do.
Again, just pointing out in 1997 we went on strike and received $55
If we were to strike now, the members would receive about 80% of their pay Moore if they have a local strike fund for many weeks.
If you can do it in 1997 with almost nothing should be easier in 2026
In New Jersey, striking workers can immediately file for unemployment. Thanks to our labor friendly politicians. FYI, a Democrat from NJ in congress is working on passing a bill like this nationally, along with many other labor friendly laws.
But I digress, f#$k them libtard motherf#$ckers! They want tranvestite immigrant furries running things!!
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A little realistic perspective.
That perhaps is closer to the truth. But the national still hasn’t even been decided yet that happens in May. The central is in fact stronger because it has the hammer and the ability to strike.
I know theoretically an arbitrator can order UPS to reinstate all the employees they gave the buyout and give them back pay and make pension & health and welfare contributions on their behalf for the time they were out and yada yada yada but is it really possible for the bargaining unit to be made whole? You can't make people who want to stay retired come back to their old jobs. Even if the arbitrator ordered the company to hire to fill those positions wouldn't the new employees be at the bottom of the pay scale instead of the top? Can an arbitrator remedy the division this whole fiasco has created within the bargaining unit?
I know theoretically an arbitrator can order UPS to reinstate all the employees they gave the buyout and give them back pay and make pension & health and welfare contributions on their behalf for the time they were out and yada yada yada but is it really possible for the bargaining unit to be made whole? You can't make people who want to stay retired come back to their old jobs. Even if the arbitrator ordered the company to hire to fill those positions wouldn't the new employees be at the bottom of the pay scale instead of the top? Can an arbitrator remedy the division this whole fiasco has created within the bargaining unit?
Many of them retired. They’re not coming back, but the issue would be nullifying those agreements if they’re deemed to indeed be non contractual. I don’t know if the first round of buyouts contained language that gave the company the right to ask for the money to be returned, but these new ones do. The biggest issue would be making sure the company understood these were illegal and cannot be done.
A lot of people still still think the Union just let those first round of buyouts happen. They did not. They just filed it under a different language. It’s still working its way through the panel system.
Many of them retired. They’re not coming back, but the issue would be nullifying those agreements if they’re deemed to indeed be non contractual. I don’t know if the first round of buyouts contained language that gave the company the right to ask for the money to be returned, but these new ones do. The biggest issue would be making sure the company understood these were illegal and cannot be done.
A lot of people still still think the Union just let those first round of buyouts happen. They did not. They just filed it under a different language. It’s still working its way through the panel system.
I mean UPS already understands it's illegal, they have lawyers. They just did it anyways. And caused irreparable harm to our union in the process. If the only thing we get out of the grievance process is the company admitting it was illegal and pinky promising that they won't do it again we are screwed because they will definitely do it again.
I mean UPS already understands it's illegal, they have lawyers. They just did it anyways. And caused irreparable harm to our union in the process. If the only thing we get out of the grievance process is the company admitting it was illegal and pinky promising that they won't do it again we are screwed because they will definitely do it again.
I don’t believe there is any other remedy other than an arbitrators decision that is definitely not contractual or threat of a strike.
This company is very arrogant, getting them to admit anything as a tall order. You either have to get an arbitrated decision or “punch them in the mouth.” with a threat of a strike.
Sadly, even if the Teamsters win, it’s shown some cracks in our solidarity. I’m fairly certain the company thinks that’s a win for them no matter what.
In New Jersey, striking workers can immediately file for unemployment. Thanks to our labor friendly politicians. FYI, a Democrat from NJ in congress is working on passing a bill like this nationally, along with many other labor friendly laws.
But I digress, f#$k them libtard motherf#$ckers! They want tranvestite immigrant furries running things!!
Transvestite flurries? Tell me more!
I don’t believe there is any other remedy other than an arbitrators decision that is definitely not contractual or threat of a strike.
This company is very arrogant, getting them to admit anything as a tall order. You either have to get an arbitrated decision or “punch them in the mouth.” with a threat of a strike.
Sadly, even if the Teamsters win, it’s shown some cracks in our solidarity. I’m fairly certain the company thinks that’s a win for them no matter what.
The company admitting it violated the contract and the law does nothing to make us whole and isn't a win by itself in my opinion.
The company admitting it violated the contract and the law does nothing to make us whole and isn't a win by itself in my opinion.
Well, you’re in luck. I don’t think they’ll ever admit it lol
If it’s arbitrated against them, they will just move on.
Clearly, they shut the central down because they know the threat of a strike is real. Some things you probably can’t be made whole from you just have to move on. All the while, knowing in the back of your mind, this company certainly will try a different angle.
They are definitely up to something and it is no good. The first step is to weaken the membership and turn them against each other. And even against the union leadership. There well aware the most dangerous weapon we have is solidarity and a common goal.
U r a little late to the party, bug
Clearly, they shut the central down because they know the threat of a strike is real.
Or maybe this an exercise by the Company to determine if the Central Region has the fortitude to honor a picket line on the subject?
....and these pussies are shitting down all of our legs.
Very disappointing.
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All the Central did is screw over drivers close to retirement.
In the end, the same amount of jobs will disappear. The company decided less is more, add to that competition from other carriers. All the Central did is shift those affected.
All the Central did is screw over drivers close to retirement.In the end, the same amount of jobs will disappear. The company decided less is more, add to that competition from other carriers. All the Central did is shift those affected.
So the central did that? Not the company that pulled the offer and refused to negotiate?
How do we know this offer was going to be given to senior drivers only?
What guarantees do we have that these buyouts wouldn’t happen and people currently laid off would still be laid off and more layoffs wouldn’t happen?
You’re a very confused individual.
Again, people like you were very lucky to have someone negotiate for them. You would’ve been a FedEx driver still working with no pension no benefits and no guarantees of any kind.. even today at this point, we have no idea who’s getting these buyouts not to mention all the poison Pill language the company put in therm. It’s interesting. You cannot explain any of your positions when I ask these questions.
All the Central did is screw over drivers close to retirement.In the end, the same amount of jobs will disappear. The company decided less is more, add to that competition from other carriers. All the Central did is shift those affected.
Interestingly enough, if all of these senior drivers were so concerned with layoffs every single one of them could put their paperwork to retire December 31 now still make close to $150,000 because of the great wage we make as well as receive all of their vacations. And all of this could be done without violating the contract because we’ve negotiated such great wages.. where’s the great concern?
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